Get the Best Bass for Your Home Theater P1
Get the Best Bass for Your Home Theater P1
Part 1 of 3 series:
Anthony Grimani joins us in our livestream April 1st, 11pm EST to discuss how to get the best bass in your home theater. Topics of discussion will include:
1. Bass Management
2. Subwoofer Placement
3. Calibration
4. Listening for Final Adjustments
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If useing mini DSP on a Marantz with two sub outs it is recommended to use on sub out not two , can one explain?
I think I’ve watched too many Grimani videos, too many times. Because I already know all of this by heart. I could accurately draw his slide show presentations from memory. 😅
Yeah its correct, im in a lot of treble even my costly sub pumping hard in the corner. Great presentation guys, was eagerly waiting for some one to put some light on this so called standing waves
Amazing job !!! Keep going.
Well explained and presented.
lot of subs around lot of ideas lot of sub tractile around lot of ideas. I been looking at woman’s vibrators some look so good to be true. with touch sensitivity of it moving up and down and vibrating. I am seriously considering buying a few to modify into a cheaper bass shaker what do you think?
You wouldn’t believe how many people I send to the Audioholics site and YouTube channel for a better fundamental understanding of everything from basic home theater setup and speaker placement to more advanced topics like room acoustics and the introduction of REW. You’re a one stop shop for actual, scientific based information and as far as I know the only source who’s reviews aren’t tainted by marketing.
Grimani: "..women are more sensitive to bass energy.."
Gene: "Yes! They DEFINITELY are.."
Gene’s wife in another room far, far away: "…(I feel a disturbance in the force)…"
Guys, this is gold … keep up the insanely great work please :-))
I already read "Master handbook of acoustics" 3 times … but still, this is absolutely invaluable experience from masters of the trade !
My only issue is I don’t have all this testing equipment to even know if my sound is good. I can experiment and move stuff around, listen to the same track over and over, while sitting in different places in the room. That takes tons of time, but that’s what I have had to do, and my sound is pretty good these days. I was running only one dedicated sub, and after adding a second sub to a different location in the room, oh wow. It improved the bass response in almost every seat. REally cool stuff guys!!!
Is there a discount code for sonitususa.com?
Hi Gene, can you remove Don from these educational videos or at least speak to him. He has absolutely zero palpable content to add and simply degraded the quality. Simply offering some friendly advice as I respect your content.
Simply excellent. Invaluable. Any enthusiast should consider this video, and the next one, mandatory.
hi Gene . i have the " water" cables from audioquest so ill be very interested in your findings.
When Anthony says that one can read ahead if they like, where would one find it? Is there a link to a pdf or powerpoint?
Thanks very helpful
Its not up for debate or argument. If you want to get the best out your system no matter what budget you need to sort your room out. THE END.
Massive credit to Gene at Audioholics and to Anthony Grimani and Don. This is gold. It’s info you don’t normally get unless you do a quality course and listening to this, understanding it and implementing it will not only yield great results but save those prepared to learn a lot of money. Most of all it will put a smile on your face. Well done and thank you.
Just built myself a pair of Mini Marty’s and bought a 2×4 minidsp, perfect timing.
In all seriousness, I can’t think of a better YouTube series on room acoustics. Anthony is a joy to listen to and Gene and Don always add different angles to the conversation. It’s been so great.
is it possible you can explain why some subwoofers with bass reflex make a chuffing distortion, and how the same subwoofer with the same gain can chuffing in one room and no in other different room? and in the case your subwoofer make that distortion how to avoid it?
Second hand Tannoy DC3000’s, chuck the mud-woofers away :).
This information is absolute gold dust, many thanks to Gene for bringing this to us & Anthony for sharing his wealth of knowledge in this field.
This is why i say unless you have a 20K budget headphones are superior
I have 2 SVS PB 2Kpros, how far should both subwoofers be away from the wall? Is it 8-12 in?
This is some good scientific information.
I know this is off topic for this particular video, but part of the title triggered a dilemma I have, maybe it could be a worthwhile point to hit in the future for a few others as well with similar limitations, the plot will slightly thicken a few times: I have a pretty small studio set up in my basement (9’7"x11’5"), it’s pretty packed with everything that needs to go in this room, not a lot of room to keep unhingable basstrap panels when I’m not mixing, or to move just to grab something off the ceiling-to-floor built-in shelving that each jut out a foot from the original 9’7" dimension on each side of the room. The left side wall shelf unit is 6’8" wide up against the front wall, but then the wall sticks out another 8" into the room space until it hits the back left corner. The right side shelving is 5’2" wide, and here’s what I think might be my main concern: after the shelves on the right side of the wall, the remaining length of the wall is cut into to make room for a kinda triangular shaped walk-in closet with big sliding mirrored doors (that I’ve turned inside-out) that make up the rest of that wall, causing a wide angle for my back right corner of the room, it’s at an angle to where the back wall is only 4’11". That back wall is the 30" door, some trim, and the 20" built-in shelf that goes from the floor to 1’1" from the ceiling. There’s a 7’x17" section along the left front corner side of my seating position on the ceiling that drops down 10" for something. My question is with such an irregular shape to my room that has a built-in lopsided nature to it, how do I acoustically treat my room? My back left corned has a door jammed up against it, my back right corner has a wide angle with a sliding closet door up against one side, and a built-in shelf up against the other (which has all my girl’s and my CDs which makes the whole shelf a plastic jewelcase reflection surface I assume I should cover with a detachable panel). My front two corners have shelves attached to each side, the ceiling is lopsided on the left and the top shelf on the right actually sticks out another 5.5" kinda messing up being able to symmetrically hang that side’s panel. The first reflection points are occupied with shelfspace, I’m having a really hard time figuring out how to make a balanced mixing environment, it’s stressing me out 😛 do I move my desk and speakers ever so slightly to one side to compensate for a huge angled set of closet doors on one side? I mean at least the only window in this room was boarded up and is inside the walk-in closet before it was a closet, haha, so the front wall is just solid drywall and I have no window surfaces to worry about, but I’m still stumped on how to address all the physical oddities. Am I over-thinking? Is it easier than I’ve been wondering about for the last idk how long? Sorry for the crazy long question, but I hope I haven’t lost you in tediousness :/ if so, you’re obviously not obligated to consult my hyper-specific detailed inquiry, I’d understand 😛 either way, I appreciate you! Thank you for everything!!!
After getting REW running on my old laptop computer and installing an adapter to go from USB to HDMI I could use it to run sweeps on my AVR. I spent 8 hours yesterday chasing "flatness" in the bass region only to finally figure out it is the room and quite possibly the subwoofer itself that cannot be EQ’d out. I moved the sub to many locations and added in a second sub I have, which helped a little, but it still is not running correctly, in my opinion. Dang it! The measurement and correction task is like trying to escape from a house of mirrors!
Good one guys, I’ve been meaning to ask Anthony Grimani a question but I never know when to ask it. But I feel like nows a good moment.
What about a pentagon or heptagon shaped room? I’ve got enough towers that go to 35hz to have one in each corner of a heptagon, but would the sidewall be better than the corner? What kind of affects would you predict in having wider/narrower angles of a pengtagon vs those of a heptagon.
I’m considering construction based in solid concrete, or a heptagon room made of breeze blocks, inside another larger rectangular room of timber frame construction with favorable acoustic ratios. Open to all suggestions. Although I’m leaning towards a barn full of chickens lol
My specific use case doesn’t need to be addressed, but I would really love to hear some discussion of room geometry in rooms that don’t have any parallel sides such as a pentagon or heptagon. I think debating the merits of speaker placement in corner or on the side would very interesting. I guess there should also be a door and a screen in there too ;P just incase you get lonely, and want to let the chickens in.
Thanks 🙂
Love this. So glad to hear Anthony narrow in on the ultimate objective of all of this which is to transport us to another world. Bad bass can’t do that!
Pure interesting info indeed.
Gene – you guys are killing it with the room acoustics series. Curious to hear what Anthony’s got for this upcoming week regarding the "mo subs, mo betta" approach to taming base in acoustically small rooms. My room is TINY – 10′ X 12′ X 9′ and it’s been maddening experimenting and measuring with speaker/listener placement. I’m using prosumer studio monitors in a 2-ch setup that I initially placed out into the room where traditional HiFi speakers always measured best. Unsatisfied with the dips I was getting around 100Hz and searching for solutions I found some video by Carl Tatz (curious if Anthony knows him) who suggested this dip is common in most rooms with stand-mounted speakers. He recommended setting them up much close to the front wall and sure enough when I did and remeasured the dip was gone with no other impact elsewhere in the bass – and from rear-ported speakers no less!
Is there a case to be made in tiny rooms that the speakers should be right up against the front wall to help with speaker boundary issues? Also curious what Anthony thinks about sizing speakers to rooms and whether or not that’s even really a thing.
Absolutely amazing presentation. Anthony is a fountain of knowledge but brings it down to a level of understanding we can all absorb. Can’t wait for next weeks follow up.
Tnx you all for all these lessons. They are priceless
By the way I recomend the cable company to go up to 800V instead of 72V. It works for electric cars. Why not for cables? 😉
Was curious if using a down firing and a front firing sub help to cancel standing waves?
My wife loves Bass so long as it’s clean.
That is true. Here in Spain we build with concrete and bricks and the bass problem is actually worst because there is very few energy absorption by the walls.
Classic stereo brand Onkyo to delist from Tokyo stock exchange in July. The’ve sunk their battleship through cheap tactics and anti-audiophile profile.
Guys, Here is a list of my Home Theater System:
Sony AV Receiver STR-DH770
Tower Speakers Cerwin-Vega VE-15
Center speaker Cerwin-Vega CV0903882
Sub-Woofer JBL PB-10 bottom firing
Question, Is my current receiver good enough for my speakers?
Hello 👋🏼 guys I just ordered my SVS PB-1000 pro
Can I used a PB-1000 thinking of going dual and get good sound? Thank you
I have to second Don’s emotion about how great this is to have Anthony’s experience and work explained so well and that it is invaluable information to anyone wanting to get good bass quality. Thank you very much for your time and efforts.
Gene, I’ve watched and enjoyed your videos for years…this path your on with anthony is sooo awesome. This one is the best yet. Looking forward to more
Thanks and well done guys – an amazingly informative video on such an important subject. I think Anthony’s approach takes things to a higher level because he simply won’t let any form of superficial or simplistic explanation pass. He absolutely insists on us knowing the "why" of every matter – "what" and "how" just aren’t enough. He clearly wants everyone watching to be able share his depth of understanding which is a real gift to us. I feel very lucky to have access to this material and can’t wait for the next instalment. Hoping you might mention the value (or not) of REW’s RoomSim feature in your next video as lots of people use it to help deal with these issues.
ESSENTIAL.
A solution could be floor standers with active subwoofers at the front and 2 xSVS 3000 micros in the rear corners or sides, total of 4 active subwoofers. Might keep the cost down and achieve the goal.
If I take anything away from this, not to say that’s all I took away, but the RGB color scheme for left right and center is a great color scheme to use. Thanks!
This is really really good. Man, just thinking about how I tried to deal with bass management from the 70’s thru the 90’s when we didn’t know crap.
i always trust my ears, basic knowledge and plenty off time for experiments 😉
Gene and Anthony, I’m fighting a particular trade-off and am wondering if this is a real trade off or if there is a way around it. I did an A/B of letting Audyssey calibrate both of my 2 subs independently vs. me manually level matching and adjusting the subs’ delays until I got as smooth of an FR from the subs as I could, then used a Y splitter to make Audyssey think they were one. Letting SubEQ HT work on the subs independently seems to give me a much better stereo image with low frequency content like kick drums (I assume because it’s good at phase aligning the subs), but my FR curve is terrible (massive dip 30-50hz). When I level-match and set delays myself, then Y-split the subs to make Audyssey treat them as a single sub, I get much better FR, but the stereo image doesn’t sound as locked for low frequency content (higher frequency imaging is fine). Is this a real problem and what can I do to solve it?